Andy Frisella: Mental Health and Coming Off Antidepressants

Today, in the Scheer Madness Podcast, Andy Frisella joins Rachel to talk about not being a quitter. The two become open about their struggles with being antidepressant-dependent for a long time, finding the courage to get off of it and restart life with a healthier lifestyle. They also talk about the three things that make us truly happy, how to incorporate discipline in our life, and how to get through difficult times by not quitting.  

Andy is an entrepreneur, bestselling author, and highly sought after consultant and public speaker. He is the industry leading expert at customer loyalty, creating fanatical culture, and building brick-and-mortar and online direct-to-consumer retail businesses. On his popular new podcast, REAL AF with Andy Frisella, he and his guests discuss, debate, and laugh their way through trending topics and hot-button issues. 

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Chapters:

• 00:00 Intro
• 03:37 Antidepressant dependent for 10 years
• 12:22 When times are hard, don’t stop
• 16:24 Trying to get off antidepressants
• 23:14 Investing in physical activity
• 32:07 Three things that equate to happiness
• 42:38 Is living a truly healthy lifestyle difficult?
• 47:07 Discipline is the key
• 51:52 Practice gratitude
• 54:42 We lose when we quit

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Podcast Transcript:

Andy Frisella: Once you figure out that things like confidence, self-esteem, self, Grit, fortitude, mental toughness, all of these things are in you. You just haven’t developed them. You’re missing really the entire potential of your whole life by not developing those skills. And I believe that we are taught that those are traits to prevent us from working to develop those skills.

Rachel Scheer: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over. And expecting different results. But if you are ready to level up your life and get results that truly matter in your health business mindset and relat. Then this is the podcast for you. Welcome to Shared Madness, where we have unscripted real conversations with the world’s top athletes, entrepreneurs, and coaches discover real world and tactical advice from the best in the business.

Let’s go everyone. Rachel, she here and welcome back to the Sheer maus podcast. Right now I am up at the first forum headquarters about to do a podcast with the one and only. Andy Ella. And I’m so excited about today’s episode, not just because Andy is an all around badass, changing millions or even millions of people’s life with the work that he’s doing with First Form 75 hard, his podcast, real af.

But today we’re gonna be talking about mental health, and this is a topic that is super close to my heart because of what I walked through myself. My upbringing, my family who’s really struggled with mental health. My, my father actually has been homeless and, um, physically disabled. So today is so, important for me and the message that we really want to share.

And we’re gonna be talking about pharmaceutical use Andy and i’s story of trying to walk through, coming off of antidepressants, but also what are some holistic methods we can really lean into for improving our mental. Things like exercise, functional medicine, testing, gratitude, purpose. We’re gonna be covering all of this in today’s episode, so let’s dive in.

Well, I to first start the conversation, and I meant it yesterday, that I felt like it was God, given that you brought up everything about what you’ve been walking through with. Coming off an antidepressant and I wasn’t even gonna ask you to even come on my podcast cause I was like, okay, Aaron already asked him like, I’m not gonna be that person.

But I truly felt like God was like, this is something like we really do need to talk about. And I know for myself, it’s something that I’ve struggled with talking about publicly and um, nobody actually even knows this, but I was put on an antidepressant when I. 16 years old and I was the normal moody teenager where um, you know, I had acne and I had all of these emotions and high school online kids are just so mean and my parents just didn’t wanna deal with me and they’re like, Bringed me to the doctor, threw me on Lexapro.

Mm-hmm. , which was exactly what you shared with me that you have been trying to come off of and 15 years later where my brain is literally still developing. It’s been the hardest thing in the world Yeah. To get off of it. So one, I appreciate you sharing that with me and coming on because I think. , we need to talk about this a 

Andy Frisella: lot more.

Yeah. You know, it’s my pleasure. I, I don’t, I try to be transparent as possible because I realize that I’m in a position where if I’m not, people can sometimes look at people who are doing, you know, things in life and accomplishing things and building things. And they think that they don’t have any struggles, whether they’re not dealing with the same kind of things that they are.

So I try to be almost weirdly transparent, like, and talk about things that I think most people wouldn’t, you know? But we were talking in the kitchen and I had mentioned to you that, you know, I was coming off of 10 years of Lexapro at a 20 milligram dose. You know, you were like, Well, you wanna talk about it?

I’m like, Yo, talk about it. But, uh, I think it’s important because, You know, like you mentioned in your story today, uh, a lot of the science that they’ve based the antidepressant market on was based upon the idea of chemical imbalances. And there’s recently been, some studies have come out and shown that that’s not even the truth of what they’ve been trying to market.

So that’s kind of what got me thinking about, like, wanting to get off of it because I had put, uh, the last four years into really developing my mental, uh, fortitude and, and I felt like I was in a good place. And I felt like, well, dude, if I was gonna be able to get off of it, because I read the horror stories and I read, you know, how hard it’s been for people to, to, to get off.

Um, and I just figured, you know, that this would be a good time. And, um, the truth of the matter is it’s probably been the hardest six to eight weeks of my adult life. Yeah. To be, to be completely honest. Um, and what it’s made me realize is that, and what I suspect and believe, and I don’t know that I don’t have any proof to this.

Um, but it certainly seems like they make it extremely hard for people to get off on purpose. Yeah. Because, uh, it is insane. Yeah. 

Rachel Scheer: And it’s really, really scary too. Yeah. And I know I’ve tried to come off of it at least in. Three times during my life. Mm-hmm. and even trying to explain it to my family or even my partner about like, coming off of it, like they don’t get it.

They’re like you, you’re fine. Like, just come off of it. And for me, I actually had my very first panic attack when I tried to come off of it where I literally thought I was dying in that moment. Mm-hmm. , like everything was like, crawl outta my skin, get out of here. And. I then had PTSD after, just from the panic attack and I, I got back on a, a small dose and I wouldn’t wish it on anybody.

Mm-hmm. . And I think what’s so scary about that too is. We’re being so dependent on something. Mm-hmm. , and I was even talking to some people yesterday about it and you know, with where the world’s at right now too. Like it’s one thing to be on, like blood pressure medication or, you know, something for like, um, high cholesterol where if shit went down like.

You could still survive without that. Mm-hmm. , the scariest thing ever is if for whatever reason the government was like, you have to do this or we’re not giving you your medication. Like, people would literally be suicidal without that medication. Mm-hmm. . And that’s where I wanted to get off of it. And I thought nothing of it for the longest time and I didn’t know what symptoms that he would was causing cuz I was, you know, 16 getting on it.

Mm-hmm. , Um, I know there has been. Apathy, I think for sure being on it, because as I came off it was like, where the heck is all of this emotions coming from for, But I think that’s like really the scariest piece, 

Andy Frisella: you know? I mean, that’s consistent with what I’ve been experiencing. Things I’ve been experiencing are, are that, um, you know, the, it’s almost like a slingshot back into being, having emotions.

Mm-hmm. . Um, and you don’t know, I didn’t notice when I was on. How numb I was because I was on it for so long. And then now that I’m off of it, I’m having emotions again. And because I’m not having emotion, I haven’t had them for so long, I’m having to relearn how to like, control them and like deal with them.

And it’s inconvenient because when you’re not used to having ’em like that, um, it, it can, it can be cool, it could be hard, but I, I actually think it’s pretty cool. It, it’s showing me like, Okay, well this is how you’re supposed to feel when this happens, or when this happens, or when this happens. And for a long time, you know, there would be things that were happening in my life that I knew I should be more upset about than what I was, right?

Mm-hmm. , um, or more excited about than what I was. And, uh, it kind of feels good to have those feelings again, but it wasn’t expected. And the slingshot anxiety that I got from coming off of it, like you mentioned, having a panic attack, like that’s how it’s felt for me for the whole. Um, up until literally the last couple days, uh, where I’ve started to feel better and I’m not sure why.

It’s been about six weeks. So I think that might be why, but it’s been massive anxiety. The, the close, I explained it to you the other day, like, it’s like standing at the edge of a roof and trying to walk the edge of the roof, um, and like having that wobbly feeling on the inside, but like no one could see it from the outside.

And that’s how, that’s the feeling I’ve had. And I’ve also had physical. Symptoms such as like heavy sweats, like night sweats. Um, do you have nightmares at all? I had 

Rachel Scheer: terrible 

Andy Frisella: nightmares. No. Uh, but I have, I haven’t slept very well. Vertigo, so Vertigo’s been something that like, I’ve been having where I, where I’ll literally just be walking around and then I start to feel like I’m gonna fall over.

But those things, the, the, the anxiety, the panic, the, the urgency in the withdrawal process for me were very, very intense. Yeah. And uh, it to the point where there was many times where I considered like, Well dude, I should just take this shit. Yeah. And that’s, That’s what like has really got me pissed off about what’s going on because now I see how hard it would be for someone to get off and it’s almost like they’ve built in their guarantee of sale to make their money by making it something that people can’t even get off of if they wanna get off of it.

And, you know, doctors say, Well, there’s no reason to get off of it. Well, if the whole data is based around this one concept that you guys have been pushing for the last 50, 60 years of, of, and then they come out with a study that shows that’s not true, then how, what, what are we on this for? Yeah. You know, and that’s what got me thinking about it.

Um, when I started reading that data and I’m like, Well, what is this actually. You know what I mean? What is, what is this doing to me? And I worked with my doctor, and I would say this, for anybody that’s like looking to get off of, of these, these kind of drugs, you need to have a strategy to do so because it’s not something that you’re just gonna wanna do, like, and just stop taking.

You’re setting yourself up for, for a really hard time by doing that. And, and so, uh, Yeah, I just started weaning my way down and then got, got off completely and, and just kind of grit and took what it gave me. And it’s been, it’s been hard as fuck, man. Yeah. But at the same time, I think. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel in terms of what I’m going to gain from that.

And so I think it’ll be worth it, but I, I think, you know, anybody who’s considering it or anybody who’s done it, I’ve had a lot of people re, I’ve talked about this on my show, so I’ve had a lot of people reach out, tell me their, their story of it. And, uh, it’s very consistent. It’s across the board and it’s a 

Rachel Scheer: ton of people.

Yeah. Like it’s a ton, but. We don’t talk about it. No. And every time I brought it up, like I’m blown away by how many people are on it and stuck on these medications who want to get off, who attempt to come off, and they literally can’t. And I’m, I’m right there with you. It was the worst thing I’ve ever had to walk through.

And I walked through some shitty things in life, and I know you have too, but like, just the way you feel and it’s like, I don’t even, can’t even describe like the feeling it was like, This is new. This is like there, I don’t know what’s going on. And it’s like this shock factor. Yeah. When you’re trying to come off of it and you’re like, Is this gonna end?

You know? And I think that’s what leads to a lot of the massive panic. I, I was in bed for days after, like I had that panic attack and I was like, My business is gonna be destroyed. Like relationships. I was like, it is not worth it. And that’s where I got back on a small amount. But what was so meaningful to me of you sharing that is like you really pushing through and like having someone to talk to about it.

Because I know, like my partner Aaron, like loves me and stuff, but he, he doesn’t get it, you know? And immediately people just. one, there’s something wrong with you cuz you’re on medication to start out with. Mm-hmm. . And then number two coming off of it like they think that’s you going back to just this version of you.

Then there’s even something even more wrong with you. So there’s so much shame around it. Mm-hmm. and I know that part. When I was coming off, I’m like, This isn’t me. Like, this is not me. This, and what’s insane is my anxiety was never like that before I got on it. Right. And it’s like a million times worse in that process of trying to even come off of 

Andy Frisella: it too.

Definitely. It’s very, very consistent with what I experienced too. You, you definitely start to lose yourself because you can’t do anything else. It’s just so, you just can’t, I can understand the idea of, you know, Not talk, like I haven’t talked to a lot of my friends the last couple months just because of what’s been going on.

You hit on something there that’s super important. Uh, well, two things. One, there is no shame in this. All right, everybody there, There’s, there’s literally millions of people out there that struggle with this. Who were also then influenced heavily to do this as a, uh, as a solution. Um, I was one of those people at the time, you know, I didn’t really realize what, you know, in culture 10 years ago.

It wasn’t, it wasn’t like a terrible thing. Like it was just something that, you know, certain people had to take in, certain people didn’t. And, uh, I did feel better when I started using the pro, when I started using the product. Um, I was going through one of the most stressful times of my. Um, looking back now that I have a decade past that it was just a hard time.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And it wasn’t like, uh, it was an extended period of hard time. And so, you know, the other thing that you mentioned that I think is important is that, you know, the way I felt. The last five or six weeks trying to come off of that, that is like, absolutely not who I am. And you know, I have a very strong sense of who I am and what I am, and, and I know that.

Um, but for someone who may not, someone who may still be in the process of trying to figure out, you know, exactly who they are or, or what they stand for or what kind of life they’re living. Really, you know, in a, in a, in a less stable spot than I am mentally. Dude, you know, you could get off, I could see where someone could get off of that and be like, Holy shit, I am crazy.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Because the, the backlash of the bad symptoms is so heavy that like, it, you do feel like even, even me, I was, I had to talk myself out of it many times. Like, Look dude, this isn’t you. Like you’re dealing with this, this, you gotta keep pushing. And the way I was able to look at it is how I look at life anyway, which, , you know, when times are hard, uh, I don’t stop.

I just continue to step forward and, and manufacture daily wins until I catch that momentum again. You know, so I, I broke it down to basics. Said, All right, well, my goal is to win today. Like, I’m gonna do these things today. And then I tried to do it again tomorrow. And once I was able to string together, you know, five or six days in a row of legitimate, solid wind, , you know, I started feeling a little bit better.

You know what I mean? I get little glimpses of who I, who I really am, and start to feel more who I really am. And another thing I noticed too is as much as the emotion rebound is like extreme meaning, like for someone who doesn’t understand what we’re talking about, you know, when you’re taking these medications, from my experience, You know, you do feel numb and apathetic to almost everything.

Like you understand things are good or bad. Um, but as far as relating to somebody, yeah, like, it’s kind of like, well, it is what it 

Rachel Scheer: is, like feeling what other people 

Andy Frisella: feel. Yeah. That’s very hard to do and mm-hmm. , when I removed it, the, the rebound effect of those emotions went from not having too many to having way too many and feeling like, you know, having, like I, I was going through these emotion.

Like crazy, like ups and downs and ups and downs and, and, uh, emotion, high emotions fells where I would just start crying for no reason, like shit like that. And, um, that was like really bad in the beginning. Like the first three weeks was like really heavy that way. Um, and then it started to subside and it’s gotten better and better and better.

If this is something that anyone is considering, you know, you have to be able to look past that, you know, 60 day mark and remember like you are going to return back to that version of yourself that you know who you are. You know what I mean? And, and I think that’s an important point to point out because the way these things are built, From what I can tell, you know, the minute you take ’em out, you know, it creates that reaction and then you think you really need ’em again and then you 

Rachel Scheer: get back on and That’s right.

I’d say even when I was like trying to find like stories of people coming out, like hope stories and like researching, I’d say like every single one I found was like people who like tried to get off of it and then got back on it and I was like, shit, like, Is this like, just like what’s gonna happen is like people’s life went to shit and all this stuff.

Now, I think too, like there’s a lot of other things that these people could have done for sure. Mm-hmm. , um, you know, and you’ve worked so hard also, like on your mental health, physical health, fitness, and all of those other different things where you’re in, like you said, the best place possible to ever come off of it.

Right. So I think it is important for someone coming off to try to get those things in. First and foremost, like Absolutely exercise, Move your body. Yeah. You know, really dive into also doing the work on yourself. Um, and I’m even sometimes curious of like how much of healing was even maybe suppressed with even being on it.

I mean, I was 16 years old and here I am 29 and trying to come off of. And it’s like, who, who even am I like, right. Like there’s that question there. Yeah. And I was never on a high amount. I was on five milligrams, you know, put on it. So it’s nothing even major. But I remember this one time, I, I was struggling like normal life struggles, like you said.

Like we, we go through hard shit and I, I truly believe if we can’t feel all of the, like the pain, it also numbs us from feeling all of the joy and all of those life experiences too. Like you can’t suppress one without suppressing the other. I thought that to 

Andy Frisella: be 

Rachel Scheer: the. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I went to, um, a psychiatrist because I actually was my first time attempting to come off.

And I remember going in and being like, I’m trying to come off. And they’re, What physicians do is they diagnose based off of symptom clusters, if you’re familiar with that, where you go in and you’re like, I am depressed, I have anxiety. These are my symptoms, and then they. Well, you have anxiety, you have depression, and we need to treat you with medication.

So it’s like what do you have? What is the symptoms that then they give you a label. And I think also that label in of itself is very disempowering cuz it says there’s something wrong with me. And that’s where that shame factor really comes in. But I went into this psychiatrist with the goal of coming up, but having some of those symptoms right and seeking help.

and he was like, Well, you fit all of these symptom cluster criteria for depression. Um, and I know you’re on five milligrams, but you really actually should be on 10 milligrams because that’s actually the clinical dose that they use for depression. And I remember walking out with like a higher dose medication and I just was like, What the fuck?

Like what just happened? I was trying to come off of it. Now I’m leaving and with a higher dose on this. And then I, I, I just was pissed after. Cause I was like, how? Like I. Sharing that I wanna come off and these are just the symptoms of coming off and I get put on more. And I think part of the diagnostic criteria is really part of that too.

And I think it was the 1960s where they started that saying that, um, it was the chemical imbalance in the brain of low serotonin. So with SSRIs, I’m a big nerd when it comes to like how these things work, but they block the reuptake of serotonin back into. The brain, so it’s like this door that shut, so there’s more firing on that neuron.

But what happens over time is as the neurons are firing and in this like empty space, We have these enzymes that eat ’em all up. So you feel better at the beginning, but eventually a lot of these enzymes eat up, um, those serotonin that’s firing and then when you come off of it and that door opens for them to kind of go back home, you don’t have as much as you had before.

And that’s what leads to like the full depletion now. And like those, like truly actually chemically imbalances where you get like the brains up and things like that too. Mm-hmm. . So I think it’s just, there’s also something. Impaired with our diagnostic criteria. Um, and not a lot of people know this, but like, because I was put on that with a whole laundry list of other medications.

Accutane as a kid Cuz of the acne. Yeah. Which is also terrible for your mental health. Um, you know, birth control for hormones. Um, a ton of antibiotics and everything is like in an antidepressant, is the reason why I do now functional medicine in holistic health because I know there’s so many other methods that I wasn’t given when I was a kid, and I felt like no one really fought for me.

And now I get a fight for myself and I get a fight for other people too, to figure out what the root cause. Truly are. Mm-hmm. . But that was incredibly frustrating in of itself. And I, and I’ve found, you know, with a lot of my own research, there’s many causes, right? Of depression. There’s, um, you can have gut imbalances, which is, you know, I’m super passionate about, like the gut and everything.

Most of our serotonins literally made in the gut. It can be, um, deficiencies omega fat. So first form, like. Utilize omega threes, vitamin D, they show that that can actually lead to some of those symptoms, hormones, thyroid, um, it can actually be tox since I’ve had people who came back with mold toxicity or heavy metals like mercury and those cross through the blood brain barrier.

Um, so there can be like literally things that are off still in the body that are causing, you know, neuro inflammation or other. But on top of that, I think the biggest thing is really unaddressed trauma. Mm. And I think that’s really the biggest thing, cuz I’ve watched my dad and why mental health is so important to me is my dad’s actually homeless.

My dad, um, struggled with his mental health, his whole, whole life. I could get emotional. Um, he has struggled with his mental health his whole life, and he was really abused as a kid. He was never addressed. My marriage with my mom and dad and that separation, and that’s a whole nother story to get into. Um, his mental health just continued to decline, decline, and decline.

And then he became physically disabled and could no longer walk. And as a byproduct, he created like this whole alternate reality because being in the present world, So painful. They diagnosed him schizophrenic and all this kind of stuff, but I’m like, my dad wasn’t always that way. Mm-hmm. . And I think it was like, it became so painful over time that his brain not like, consciously was like, You can’t, like, we can’t even be in the world anymore.

So we’re gonna create another reality of it all. And now he’s been homeless actually for a period of his life. And I’ve watched that and I’ve wanted to help him in so many ways. So like, it’s really, really crucial for me, like figuring out like those root causes and people really understanding that. But I, I truly think it’s that that trauma that gets so suppressed manifests in all of these different ways that really, truly is.

In my opinion, the biggest route when it comes to 

Andy Frisella: mental health. Yeah. I, I think that’s a big cause. I also think you hit on it in the beginning when you talked about having, you know, um, your fitness habits in check. I totally agree with what you said, um, about people getting their discipline level to a point where you can handle training, you know, once or twice a day to get through this.

Um, physical, physical activity has been something that has helped me pull through this. Um, At the most anxious times, I’ll get up and I’ll go do like a run walk or I’ll do, uh, um, even a walk of, you know, he’ll walk or something like that. Um, or lift, right? Um, I’ve been making extremely sure that my, my diet is very clean.

Um, my, I’m getting a ton of water. These are all, I’m not, I’m reading, I’m not put, I use my program, the 75 hard program, live hard program. But like, regardless if you use that or not, all of the things that are in it are things that will help you get your mind to a, a place where you’re not preoccupied with all the fucking bullshit.

You know, if you’re someone who’s sitting at home and you know, you’re very unhealthy, you, you’re not training, you’re not drinking water, you’re, you know, you’re gonna have a much more difficult time trying to push through. And honestly, I can’t even imagine doing it like that to to be, to be real. I, I certainly, I don’t think I would re.

Um, because one of the things that has really helped me get through has been the physical activity. Um, and, and honestly it’s been weird because this last year I had a shoulder injury where I had to have a major reconstructive surgery on my shoulder. I tore pretty much everything in it last year, and it was a year long recovery.

And so I had to, like, this whole year I’ve been like half ass training and that’s like even got me in a weird spot on top of all of that. So, uh, you know, being able to train, putting good things in your brain, not scrolling mindlessly for hours and hours and hours. Uh, not getting too caught up. I, you know, I’ve distanced myself from Instagram in terms of like how much time I’m spending on there.

Uh, I read an interesting book. I’m reading an interesting book called The Chaos Machine right now, where it talks about how they actually intentionally mentally manipulate you to keep your attention on that phone. Um, and if you read it, it’s very eye opening and it makes you, it definitely makes. See social more as a tool that we can use and less as a place to like spend all our time and energy making sure that I’m getting my reading in.

That’s a huge thing, dude. Like, like sitting down at a minimum of 10 pages, I usually get, like, I knock out, you know, 25 to 30 pages. Um, and I’m a slow reader, but that mental break, you know, that mental one hour break that it takes me to do that has been very helpful for me to reset and push through, uh, the very difficult times.

You know, it’s really hard to feel anxious when you’re fucking tired, you know what I’m saying? like, like when you’re, when you’re beat and you’re tired from lifting or tired from doing a, a cardio session or, or even a couple sprints or whatever. I mean, dude, that, that releases that, like, you cannot feel anxious and winded at the same time.

Yeah. Um, You know, praying is something I think that has helped me through. Um, you know, I don’t think people really give enough, uh, credit to how powerful that can be for getting. Um, in a peaceful place internally, you know, you know, being open with the people around, around me with, with what’s going on, uh, has been very helpful.

You know, uh, the people closest to me that I talk to every day, they’re all aware of what’s happening, uh, that way. When I, you know, cuz there’s been a couple times where I’ve had very. Hard days while I’m doing this, but, you know, whatever the reason is that you, and by the way, if you’re, if you’re not on the SSRIs and you’re not on Yeah.

Uh, any of these drugs, a great way to cure and fix your mental health, it is literally by doing those exact same things I just said. Yeah. So, you know, a lot of it can be prevented. Most of the people that they diagnose for depression are just in a. Right. Uh, you’re gonna be depressed. If you spend four hours a day watching tv, you’re gonna be depressed.

If you spend another four hours a day on the internet, you’re gonna be depressed. If you’re a hundred pounds overweight, you’re gonna be depressed. If you’re not drinking water, I mean, if you’re consuming all these highly refined sugars all day long as your main source of like calories, dude, you’re going to feel that way.

You’re going in, in, in the. Hard part is you’re gonna feel like such shit that you don’t even realize how shitty you feel until you get it outta your system. That really makes me feel, uh, bad for a lot of people. You know when you go to the grocery store and you see people, you look at their cart and you see, you know, regular soda chips, you know, all the regular, the regular foods that are, we’re taught in America as are like the norm.

and you know, you see these people, and I’m not knocking anybody. I used to be 350 pounds. Everybody knows that. So like, I, you know, but you see these people who are morbidly obese, they’re struggling to move, they feel like shit. And it’s like, Yeah, bro. Like it makes sense. Yeah. Feel that way. Yeah. Like you look around like, look how you’re living.

And I think a lot of this can be prevented, um, by the mentality of, of just a little bit of pro productive, uh, or preventative maintenance. You know what I mean? 

Rachel Scheer: That requires people to take responsibility though. Yeah, 

Andy Frisella: people are like that. But you know, when it comes to, you know, we only get one life, man.

We only have one life. We only have one, uh, opportunity, uh, to be happy and, and, and to not feel crazy our whole entire lives. And I think it’s important that, you know, to set up, ha, at least for me, if you’re gonna be a productive human, I have a lot of responsibility, so I don’t have a choice. But if you’re, if you don’t have a lot of responsibility, maybe the reason that you feel like shit is because you don’t have.

You know what I mean? And you’re not taking any, So there’s, you know, we as humans have tremendous potential. We are not meant to be, you know, big fast loss on the couch. 

Rachel Scheer: Have you seen Wally with those guys in the, uh, outer space that are just like the big blobs and the machines? No. The kids movie, but it’s literally them for telling the future.

Yeah. Whether just all have computers and there are these giant blobs and they’re in these chairs and they’re rolling around at these huge over. Yeah. Yeah. And just controlled by 

Andy Frisella: technology. Yeah. The further, the further people dip into technology and the more they ab, uh, get sucked into. The Metaverse and Web three and all of these things, the more they go in, the more, the more, the worse they’re gonna feel.

It’s, it’s just, it’s read the, Everybody should go read that book. The Chaos Machine. The Chaos Machine. It’ll 

Rachel Scheer: give you a different perspective. I haven’t read that, but I’m gonna definitely read that. Now, and I love that you mentioned, you know, a lot of the things that you’ve found that have helped you.

Like for me, I’m a very routine person and I, if I were to just go based off of my wiring and my upbringing, I am like prone to be an anxious person. I am prone to have a lot of those just with my wiring and upbringing, and I always tell all of the people that I work with or even talk about on my podcast.

I have to then step into the version of myself that I want to be. And I only can do that because of exercise in fitness. And that’s why I’ve, you know, worked out for as long as I had. I had a guy ask me one time in the elevator and he was like, How long have you been training for? How long have you been working out?

I was like, And he was like, How long have you stuck with it for so long? I was like, Well, I was a gymnast, I was a dancer. And then, I got into weight lifting. I was like, Oh no, I’m an athlete. Yeah. I said my whole life. Yeah. And it was because it wasn’t something that I was doing, it was part of who I am.

Mm-hmm. , and I think that’s helped me a lot is I’m the kind of person who chooses to do what’s hard. Right. I don’t wake up expecting to, especially like coming off a meds, but even a lot of us, like we like have the expectation, I’m just gonna wake up full of energy, joy, excitement, and you can have those things, but you have to create those things.

Yeah. Really, ultimately. Absolutely. You have to. Wake up and be intentional. Cuz I mean, I have a beautiful life. Like I have such a beautiful life. I’m so grateful for it and, and blessed by God to have it. But I still wake up and have days where I’m like, man, I just brain fog. I feel a slump and I’m doing all the right things for me.

And then I do my morning routine. Um, I’ve done reading for periods. I’m really into meditation right now myself. I’m not sure if you’ve dove into meditation, that’s helped me. Prayer. Um, and then moving my body. So I have to do those two things every single day. Something for my mind. And it’s evolved over time.

Reading books, personal development, um, things that I can feel like I’m, I’m growing in at least journaling, um, writing intentions, meditation, and then some kind of movement. And I think if people could do those two things in the morning, like they’d make a massive difference in how they feel throughout that day.

And then just like you said, tackle it, is that one day. Mm-hmm. like that one day, like, how can I feel my very best today? And then you start to create these small little winds and you’re like, this isn’t so hard. Mm-hmm. , you know, to really essentially do. Absolutely. I know you talked a little bit yesterday too about like, there was three things, right?

You said in our conversation and then we talked a little bit about fitness. You mentioned to 

Andy Frisella: purpose. To me, there’s three things that equate to happiness. You know, a lot of people spend their whole life looking for happiness, uh, as if it’s something that they’re going to discover. And I think that’s the wrong perspective.

Um, I’ve never been walking down the street and discovered happiness. Uh, anything I’ve ever been happy about. It’s because I’ve had certain elements correct and aligned in my life. And, um, those three elements are, one is discipline. When you’re exercising discipline, uh, or you’re not exercising discipline, it drastically affects how you feel about yourself.

Because, you know, if I have a problem with alcohol and I don’t have the discipline over this drink, I’m going to feel powerless in every single area of my life because we all know how silly it is for some sort of external source that has no, it’s not even a being. Have power over us. Okay. So the first thing is we have to take our power and develop our power, um, of discipline through exercising discipline.

Uh, a lot of people think discipline is a, a trait when in reality it’s a skill you develop. And so you have to practice, uh, being disciplined to grow a discipline muscle, right? Mm-hmm. , that’s the first thing, so that we could feel like we’re somewhat in control of our environment. Now, are we in control of everything?

Absolutely not. We could be walking across the street and get run over by a bus, we don’t know. But at the end of the day, we should have enough discipline to be able to control what inputs and outputs we produce with, with our, our being. Right? Um, . The second thing is purpose. If we don’t wake up every day with a purpose and that purpose can be big, you know, I think a big purpose is very, is a great place to go.

Uh, because. When your purpose is big, it’s really hard to fulfill and when it’s hard to fulfill, that means there’s a lot of work to do. When there’s a lot of work to do, it’s hard to get your mind idle to where you get to that place of like, I’m dissatisfied. Right? A lot of people think that happiness equals sitting on the beach, uh, with a fucking corona with their feet up, right?

Like, that’s not happiness. That is like one little moment of your whole entire. The happiness is going to come from your daily actions. And so having a big purpose with a lot to do and a lot of work to do, it sounds counterintuitive cuz people look to for the easiest path. But the reality is, is that when you have a lot to do, you never run out of purpose.

So you always feel like you’re, you’re needed, you’re valuable, you’re contributing. And that’s a human need that we all have. Um, and then the third thing is gratitude. You know, it’s really hard to feel anxious. It’s really hard to be upset whenever you have gratitude and when you have all three of these things, right, when you have discipline that allows you to feel in control, you have purpose, a reason for being, a reason to get up, a reason to go and work.

Uh, and, and it’s big enough to where, um, you know, you have a lifetime of work to do. Uh, and then also the gratitude. You know, when things are bad. You know, they’re really not that bad if we’re being completely honest. If you’re watching this show or you’re listening to this show, you’re doing better than 99% of the people on this planet.

And I think that’s an important thing to, to remember. Um, So whenever I found myself not happy, it’s because one of those things is out of alignment. You know, it’s, it’s, and it, it’s usually my discipline cuz the discipline’s the easiest thing to go, uh, and, and, and have high and, and have it be a perishable skill where it just kind of goes away real fast if you allow it.

Um, and then when it comes to purpose, you know, you know, for me purpose is a big purpose is easy because I have lots of employees and lots of projects going on, and, and, but for, for most people, they might not have anything going on. So they’re thinking, Well, what’s my purpose? Well, dude, at the beginning, your whole entire purpose could be yourself.

It could be, I’m going to get through this day doing these five critical task. And I’m gonna do it again tomorrow. And that’s what 75 Hard and live hard’s about because it creates a purpose for a short period of time where you can allow yourself to make massive progress in a very short period of time, uh, in your discipline, uh, also in your purpose and in your gratitude.

And that’s why when people finish the program, a lot of ’em are like, Well, I don’t wanna stop. Well, no one says you have to stop. Mm-hmm. , Right? Those three things, uh, I think are the key elements to being happy. I think people need to understand that creating Happys. Is a skill. Mm-hmm. it, it, it is not some, like when you look out there, and yes, there is some people that have a happy demeanor or they’re happier naturally, maybe at a baseline than you.

Um, or they’re, maybe they’re just really good at pretending to be happy. You know, we don’t know. But at the end of the day, you know, we can all manufacture happiness by taking care of ourselves. And in the beginning when your life, you know, when you’re at the very bottom right now and you’re looking around, you’re like, Holy shit, dude, my life is fucking at its bottom.

Okay, well, what are you gonna do about it? Yeah. You know what I’m saying? Like, let’s win today. Let’s, let’s, let’s drink a gallon of water today. Let’s train, let’s go on a walk today. Let’s train with some weights today. Uh, let’s read 10 pages of a, of a productive book that’s gonna put you in the right mindset.

Um, these, let’s practice gratitude intentionally for, you know, a, a dedicated amount of. Like these things that we do daily are what create the fulfillment and happiness that we have. And I don’t have all the answers, but I can tell you that the more that I go down that route and the more fine tuned I get on that, on that formula, the happier I am.

Yeah. So, um, I felt like that’s been a, a huge game changer, especially the last two and a half years with all the, the, the craziness going on in the world. You know, a lot of us, you know, dude, like what we just went through. That’s not how people are supposed to live. You know, we’re not supposed to turn on the TV and hear doom and gloom 24 7 and scare tactics and lies.

We’re not supposed to be locked in our homes for a year and a half. Kids aren’t supposed to be locked outta schools for two fucking years. Like the mental, you know, husbands and wives aren’t supposed to be locked up in a house together for for two years. Dude. You know, the divorce rates at the highest rate, it’s been, you know, we have this situation going on externally that I think everybody should remember is very difficult.

For everybody. It’s been a very, very difficult two and a half years, and a lot of people are suffering, uh, but the suffering can end the minute you decide that you wanna take back control of your life. And I think that’s the important thing. You know, we can’t control as much as I wish I could, I can’t control what happens in the world, but what I can control is what I do.

And, and by me doing what I can do, I hope that other people will notice that and they will improve themselves too. And I think that if we all, as you know, Americans, you know, are citizens of humanity, of the world, took a little more responsibility for the examples that we set. Uh, and I’m not saying be perfect cuz I’m far from perfect.

I’m not perfect human by any means, but I’m doing, I do the best I can and when I fuck up, I try to fix. And I think if we all raised our standards higher, we, we will have a better place in society where everybody can be happier because, you know, if everybody’s happier, then everybody’s happier. Yeah. You know, and that starts with your own example that you put out into the world.

And so I’ve started to look at it a little differently in that regard. And that’s why when you ask me to come on and talk about it, I’m, I’m willing to. Because you know, the truth is, is look man, I’m just a normal person. Is it embarrassing that I had to go on an antidepressants? Not really. Like, fuck dude.

You know what I mean? Like, we don’t, we don’t know. We don’t know. You know what I mean? And we’re all learning as we go. So if people listen to this and they, you know, and they find it helpful, which I hope they do, you know, that’s, that’s a good thing. You know what I mean? I feel like that’s, that’s something that we should all do a little bit more of is tell ’em the truth about.

And I’m not saying make an identity out of being a victim, but you know, when you have a struggle, maybe talk about it and let people know that this is a struggle for me. Yeah. You know, and I think that’s helpful for people, especially when they see people who are doing well financially or building things or, you know, uh, even if it’s your next door neighbor that you just, you know who, you know, you have a conversation out in the backyard and, and, and you know, they’re talking about the things that’s going on.

You know, those things inspire people, man. You know, and when you see people doing well, it makes you wanna do better. And so, you know, I think we should all take it upon ourselves to do those things. You know, we, we should be the person. That ha is building the story that other people should look at and say, Well, you know, I, If they can do that, I can do that too.

Yeah. 

Rachel Scheer: You know, and I know for even people listening to hear like me and fitness and functional medicine Yeah. And holistic health, that like, holy shit, I was put on the antidepressant, Andy was, and every time I’ve had these conversation, everybody’s like, Me too. Me too, have really, really struggled. Right.

But also just like you said, like we didn’t really have like any other information. It was here, you’re depressed. This will help you in, I think like we trust our doctors, right? Yeah. Like we, 

Andy Frisella: we should, we trust, we should be able to, There’s a reasonable expectation. We, That’s a whole nother thing going on in the world.

We have a reasonable expectation to trust the media. We have a reasonable expectation to trust the government. We have a reasonable expectation to trust. and unfortunately because of the influence of big pharma and the money that’s available there, um, that trust has been corroded and been damaged deeply.

And it’s gonna be hard, it’s gonna be hard for me to ever trust traditional medicine ever again after what just went down. And that’s 

Rachel Scheer: exact reason why I got into this line of work is cuz I, I stopped really trusting traditional medicine and I’m never against anybody taking me either medication. But I am pro getting to the root cause and everything we’ve even talked about today, like for the listeners, there’s, we’ve covered a whole bunch of stuff between what I’ve mentioned between more of the functional, the holistic side, you know, with everything you’ve mentioned from lifestyle and fitness and purpose and gratitude.

Like there’s a lot of things that a, we can be doing right now immediately. Mm-hmm. to feel better and to overcome a lot of these things. And there’s a lot of other different areas. , if we’re doing all of that, we can even dive into, to dig a little bit deeper there before we just immediately go to, to the pill.

And jumping 

Andy Frisella: on that, most of what we talked about, um, in terms of like the depression and the anxiety can be cured with truly just living a healthy lifestyle. Mm-hmm. , and it’s not that hard. Like, you know, people think, Oh, I don’t have time for all that fitness stuff. It’s like, dude, you don’t have time to not do it.

Like, that’s what you’re not understanding, right? Like you, you’re not seeing that you’ll waste your entire life by not taking control of this situation right now. You know, you’ll spend your entire life doing exactly what you did yesterday for the rest of your 60 years on Earth, or whatever it is you might have.

And you’re gonna look back and you’re gonna say, Damn. I spent my whole life like this. I spent my whole life like this. Like, dude, that’s not, that’s not something that I don’t think anybody wants. You know what I mean? So, 

Rachel Scheer: yeah. And I think even for me, that’s been like the hardest part is like I, I’ve said Darren before, I wish I could not even have a business on social media at points in times, but, Like, I’m so grateful that I get to spread my story and my message and help other people with conversations just like this.

Um, so there’s like that part that’s incredible. But also too, like I know it’s massively affected my mental health and I, I’m so glad that I was a kid. I didn’t have social media or any of that stuff. I’d be running and climbing trees and doing all of that. Um, and. Played a massive role. I think, like they said, depression went up by 25% here recently.

Um, especially after covid with, with the increase of it all. And so I think the, the biggest message for people is really like low hanging fruit first. Mm-hmm. , um, not against medication by any means. And I know some people, you know, have tried so many different things and they’re like, Okay, I really need the medication.

And this isn’t meant to never, to shame and be like, No, take your medication and get off. It’s meant to inspire people to be like, So many other things I can do if I’m on medication. If I’m not on medication, if I wanna get off of it. If I don’t wanna get off of it. Yeah. All the work I do, 

Andy Frisella: all of it In the last four years on my mental health was done while I was on that, you know what I mean?

So like, you know, I, I don’t want people to walk away from hearing this and thinking like that, Oh, you’re weak cuz you can’t do this. Like, they build these drugs so you can’t get off. That’s what you have to understand. Like if you don’t think that they build these drugs intentionally to create the backlash when you come off that you have to go back on so they can continue to get paid for it.

You’re not seeing the whole picture. That’s what’s going on. I mean, what, What a perfect business model. Yeah. Right. Seriously. Take my protein powder that you can never quit taking. 

Rachel Scheer: Yeah. You take off of it, you’re gonna be like suicidal. Like when you’re 

Andy Frisella: gonna come crashing down, when you say like that about another product.

Right, right. Hey, drink my water. Um, here, here’s my water. You drink it, you start drinking it, but you can never stop drinking it. What a, what a perfect business model. Right? Scary. Yeah. It’s fucked up, man. 

Rachel Scheer: Yeah. And it’s not even like, I know that there’s like the money side of it too. Yeah. From like the pharmaceutical industry.

But I think like even what you talked about yesterday, there is a whole nother reason as to why I think, and a big part of it’s the control factor. Yeah. Really. Yeah. In of itself. Absolutely. Same thing with social media. It’s like we, we say it’s innocent right here, but they’re testing and doing things for a a different plan.

Absolutely. How scary to be so dependent on something. Absolutely. So I think there’s just spreading awareness and knowledge about, you know, what we’ve walked through. And I, I hope somebody, even if it’s one person today, gives them hope or inspiration to take more responsibility Yeah. For their life and to make some of these changes and that, that’s so worth 

Andy Frisella: it for me.

It is, man. And, and it’s, uh, you know, I, I wish people would really think about what they’re missing out on because it’s not just like looking good at the swimming. It’s not just having your clothes fit better, it’s literally. . You know, when you keep promises to yourself day in and day out, and you do what it is that you say you’re going to do, and you keep those commitments and you start to build your discipline, you start to build your mental toughness and you start to build your grit and fortitude by pushing through things that are hard.

The amount of confidence and self-esteem and self-belief that you start to create inside yourself, uh, is worth whatever inconvenience or disruption. In fact, it’s worth so much that you will start to look forward. Two those things because you understand what they produce, and that’s the chasm that most people have failed to cross, right?

Like they’re not attaching the idea of how good they feel mentally, how good they feel, uh, self-esteem wise, how, how much confidence they have. Uh, when it comes to taking care of themselves. They’re looking at the, the aesthetic part of it. And that aesthetic part of it, uh, is cool, right? Like, oh, I as a byproduct.

Yeah. Right. That’s it. It’s just like money and business side benefit. Yeah. Like if you ask most business owners, you say, What are you. What’s the reason that you’re in business? They’ll say, Well, to make money, that’s not the reason you’re in business. You’re in business to produce value, to produce a result, to serve someone in a certain way.

And if you do that at a very high level, the money will be there. And that’s the same thing if you take care of your mental, if you pour into your discipline skill, if you constantly test yourself, uh, and constantly work to build yourself mentally. The byproduct is the physical look. But so many people look at the physical look, and that’s the only reason they want to do anything that they can’t ever cross over into making it a lifestyle.

And that’s a shame because the truth of the matter is, is once you figure out that things like confidence, self-esteem, self-worth, grit, fortitude, mental toughness, all of these things are in you, you just haven’t developed. You’re missing really the entire potential of your whole life by not developing those skills.

And I believe that we are taught. That those are traits to prevent us from working to develop those skills. You know, I always grew up looking at people who had the ability to stick to a diet or, you know, I was the person who couldn’t stick to a diet for three or four days. Man, you know, the longest I’d ever stick to a diet before I did 75 hard was.

Six days ever. But it, it was cuz it 

Rachel Scheer: was a diet, right? That’s right. Like it was a diet. I do this for X amount of time. Yeah. To get to 

Andy Frisella: x I just have the wrong perspective on it. Yeah. So I understand what that, what that feels like to feel like you have zero power, zero control. And I’m telling you, if that’s you invest in building it.

Because what they don’t tell you is you have tremendous potential for. To feel confident. You have tremendous potential to feel worthy. You have tremendous potential to believe in yourself if you do the little things day in and day out that contribute to that. We spend so much of our lives, um, trying to wonder why like certain people got this and we didn’t get it.

You know, like I spent a whole long time wondering why it was that certain people were tremendously disciplined or certain people had tremendous amounts of. And I didn’t, and it made me bitter. I’m like, Fuck, dude. Like why did I, How come I’m lazy? How come I’m someone who has to work so hard? How? And I felt like I went down this like little victim.

And what I realized eventually I met James Lawrence, um, the iron cowboy who, who ran, uh, I mean, he’s done some incredible things. He did 50 Ironmans, uh, in 50 consecutive days in 50 states. Um, he did 101 consecutive Ironmans, you know, 101 consecutive days. Like this guy understands what it’s about to, to grit it out, and, um,

When I, him and I became friends, uh, I started realizing that like these things are built. These things are not just something that you’re gifted with and once you decide that you’re gonna start building ’em, your life is going to improve tremendously and all the things that you thought you didn’t have, all the things you thought that you know God, you know, didn’t put in you, you’re gonna discover.

Actually I do have those things. And actually the only reason I felt like I didn’t have those things is cuz I wasn’t developing those. And, and dude, that’s a powerful moment. You know, that’s a powerful thing for people to realize. Once you start to realize that you are in direct control of the way you feel by what you do on a day in and day out basis, it’s extremely powerful.

It gives you an extremely different, just a totally different perspective on life. You know, And I, I, my hope is, is that if you’re listening to this, if you’re watching this, Um, that you will have enough belief in yourself to, to go on that journey of trying to develop these, these skills that we’re talking about.

Because if you do. I could promise you your life is going to improve tremendously. Amen 

Rachel Scheer: to that. Yeah. And I think that’s, uh, an incredible place of, on that note, cause I don’t even know if I can go any further cause that’s incredible and I, I appreciate you more than you know for sharing your story. Thank you.

Um, it. It’s impacted me, even just our conversation yesterday and today, and I know it’s gonna impact millions of people life with all of the work that you’re doing, and I know you talked about purpose and for me, like my purpose did start with me of healing and overcoming. Like, I, I should not be where I’m at in all honesty.

Like I fucking should not be where I’m at. Yeah. But I am, and it was, my purpose was me first and getting out of the place where I had. Essentially like grown up and what the pattern was of my life, of my family’s life, of drinking and drugs and, you know, we foreclosed down our home as a kid and then mental health issues and, uh, I was like determined that was my purpose, to not stay stuck in that cycle.

Mm-hmm. and, and I did from. At the core, starting with fitness, first and foremost, meeting, making that the primary part of my life, to then finding purpose through that, to then evolving to some of my own health issues, to my healing, digging deeper, and then creating my business where now I get to serve, you know, 300 people a month.

But then people get to listen through your podcast and social media and all. Stuff. And the purpose has grown because of my purpose for me, now that I get to spread my purpose and help other people too, really at the core, and I think that’s what’s so beautiful, and that is like been the fire that has kept me going, even on those days where it’s like, I, I don’t wanna do anything except crawl into bed and put covers over my head in of itself.

Yeah. Um, I’ve even worked with a, I’ve worked with a counselor. I’m a big person for coaches. I’ll work with coaches every year of my life. Actually, just this last week I was struggling. I had a about of insomnia and he made me actually go sit in my, my G wagon right now with my little version of myself.

Mm-hmm. . And he’s like, Have a conversation with this little version of you. And she’s sitting there in the car being like, Oh my God, this is my car. Yeah. This is my life. I do what I, I help people with what? Yeah. Because of my stuff. Wow. I’m gonna be you. Yeah. Like I wanna be you. I look like that. I’m gonna be you.

Yeah. And it was like this moment of so much gratitude that’s just came over me in that very moment of if I was that little girl there who was looking up this current version of myself, emotional again, but I’d be like, Holy shit, that’s me. Yeah. And that was one of the most beautiful ways to really step into gratitude.

Um, and it like just changed my entire perspective and now I do that every morning in my meditation. Mm-hmm. . So I think everything that you’ve mentioned is so powerful. The last question I have for you is if you were to go back and give. The younger version of you, a piece of advice, whether this was the version of you where you were really struggling and overweight, um, struggling with confidence or even the version of you in that period when you’re like, I need to get on medication, What would you say your biggest piece of advice would be?

Andy Frisella: Man, it’s always don’t quit. We can’t lose in life. We, we never lose, no one ever loses because of the storms that are, that come in life. They, they, they lose because they quit sailing. That’s it. We’re gonna have, we’re gonna have bad periods. We’re gonna have. And that’s what I think is, is dangerous about the idea of social media in in the way that it shows highlight reels, right?

Like you look at social media and you say, Man, everybody’s happy except me. And by the way, if you read that book, The Chaos Machine, you’ll understand why that is. That’s an intentional thing that they do. You know, at the end of the day, man, you know, we’re gonna have bad times, we’re gonna have bad months, we’re gonna have bad periods, we’re gonna have bad years.

It’s reality. I just had probably the hardest year of my entire life ever, you know, starting with destroying my shoulder, having surgery at my, I was in the best shape I’d ever been in at 42 years old, you know? Uh, and I had to watch it all wither away because like when you have your shoulder, like there’s literally, you can’t.

You train your legs, and my legs got great, but like, uh, you know, it’s mentally not the same. And so I had to watch it all wither away. Uh, we’re busiest we’ve ever been in business then, you know, uh, thing after thing, after thing after thing. I can name 10 things this year that we’re like abnormal occurrences, right?

So we’re gonna have these these times. Um, but at the end of the day, as long as you keep showing up and you keep working to get better, and you practice that principle of trying to improve and move forward, You, you really can’t lose. You can only lose when you stop trying. And I know that sounds corny to people, and I know that sounds basic and I know that you probably hope that there’s something more profound than that.

But the reality is, is that it’s all there is. It’s all there is. You know, you don’t quit. You know, we have this amazing business and the first 10 years, you know, at 10 years in, we were still having. In our retail company where we didn’t see a single customer, you know, like, but we kept showing up, dude, and, and, and now we’ve got something going.

And sometimes it just takes a lot longer than what you think it’s gonna take. Uh, in fact, I think it always takes longer than what you think it’s gonna take. Um, but at the end of the day, these times are gonna pass just like the weather’s gonna pass. And if you, if you’re out doing the analogy, you know, the analogy is, is like you go outside and it starts raining and you decide to quit and go inside.

The work doesn’t get. . But if you go outside, it starts raining, you continue to do the work, and you get it all done, it’s still raining. What difference does it make? Because you still move forward regardless of the circumstances. And I think once you can figure out how to continue to move forward regardless of what the circumstances are or whatever it is going on in your life, which is very simple because continuing to move forward only takes, you know, three to five real critical tasks every single day.

And if you could move forward continuously, even in the hard. And you don’t quit. How can you lose? You can’t lose. Like, and that’s what, that’s what you know, people who are 20. I hope if you’re listening to this and you’re young and you’re just getting started, or even if you’re 30 and you’re just getting, you’re figuring it out and you’re like, Dude, it’s, it really does come down to like that basic advice of just show the fuck up.

Give it what you got. And when you, when you make mistakes, uh, uh, you know, try not to make ’em twice. And, and I think that’s the whole key. 

Rachel Scheer: Yeah. And I don’t think that’s corny at all of the Don’t quit because I actually tell myself daily, especially on the days where I’m like, Fuck, I don’t feel like I can do this today.

Yeah. Like, I don’t, I don’t, one, I don’t feel like it, I don’t like all of those toxic thoughts just come over. I don’t want to, I don’t feel. First affirmation I use is act in spite of thoughts, feelings, moods, and emotions. That’s helped me. Mm-hmm. , And I say that to myself all the time when I get in that state.

But number two is I say I’m the kind of person who gets up every time I get knocked out. Mm-hmm. , I’m the kind of person who chooses to do what’s hard. I’m the kind of person who does not ever quit. Right. And that is like how I’ve been able to, you know, kind of coach myself. So I help self parent myself through all of those tough periods.

So actually, I’ve been a big part of, It’s everything, man. My morning routine. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate you coming on my podcast today. More than you know, seriously for taking time out of your busy day to share this message. I know it’s gonna be incredibly 

Andy Frisella: impactful. Well, thank you for having me. I’m happy to do so.

Anytime. Yeah. 

Rachel Scheer: And you guys, I’ll go, uh, join 75 Hard, I’ve had quite a few amount of clients who’ve done it, and it’s been life changing for them. Cool. Yeah, 

Andy Frisella: and that’s a free program guys, if you just go to 75 hard.com, you can read. Um, there’s some podcasts in my real afaf, uh, feed that go through the whole program.

I think it’s episode 2 0 8. We’ll tell you the whole entire program. It’s free. Um, so you can go there to find out about it. I’ll just show you 

Rachel Scheer: one of my clients who went through it. He’s done all three, all the phases of it all, and now he’s just like, he’s a whole different person and he’s super into personal development.

He was like a big overweight guy and he is. You and Andy changed my life. That’s awesome. Hundred percent. So we appreciate you. So thank you again for coming on and everybody, this is Ben Sheer madness.